Inability to directly send Qtractor Master or Bus outs to Master or Bus ins without using middleman like standalone Carla Rack.

I'm sure this is an old problem and there must be some solution to it I could find online, but since this forum is so active, I'll ask anyway.

Before I explain my own situation, the following youtuber explains my problem in a much more articulate way, but their solution is more a workaround.

Qtractor Bus Routing Issues (Solution)

I'm having similar problem, directly routing Master out to Master in or Bus 1 out to even Master in, sometimes when i used external middleman tool like carla rack, i'll get some kind of feedback loop but i'm sure that's more to do with me being an amateur.

I have provided an image for the workaround setup using carla standalone rack with simplified routing.

But it tedious to do a large project master and slave tracks and buses with multiple say calf stereo analyzer for each separate bus connection.

As for my set up, i'm currently on Arch (thanks to archinstall) and even though I'm currently on Xfce i also have same issue with KDE and Gnome on the same arch installation.

I think think mine is pipewire. I'm not knowledgeable about how it differs from pulse or jack as in I get mostly the same result whether I use QjackCtl or Carla patchbay or my preferred Helvum.

Thanks in advance.

Here are some general details:

[rounak@rounakarchlinux ~]$ pipewire --version pipewire Compiled with libpipewire 1.2.5 Linked with libpipewire 1.2.5 [rounak@rounakarchlinux ~]$ [rounak@rounakarchlinux ~]$ systemctl --user status pipewire ● pipewire.service - PipeWire Multimedia Service Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/user/pipewire.service; disabled; preset: > Active: active (running) since Tue 2024-10-22 02:58:51 IST; 20h ago Invocation: 614b5513cc8645c894219d7376eee102 TriggeredBy: ● pipewire.socket Main PID: 26320 (pipewire) Tasks: 2 (limit: 9272) Memory: 22.8M (peak: 66.2M swap: 1008K swap peak: 1008K) CPU: 13min 30.824s CGroup: /user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/session.slice/pipewi> └─26320 /usr/bin/pipewire

Oct 22 20:01:36 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (alsa_output.pci-0000> Oct 22 20:01:36 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (alsa_output.pci-0000> Oct 22 20:01:38 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (alsa_output.pci-0000> Oct 22 20:01:38 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (alsa_output.pci-0000> Oct 22 20:01:38 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (Qtractor-156) xrun s> Oct 22 20:01:40 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (alsa_output.pci-0000> Oct 22 20:01:40 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (alsa_output.pci-0000> Oct 22 20:01:40 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (Qtractor-156) xrun s> Oct 22 20:14:29 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (alsa_output.pci-0000> Oct 22 20:14:29 rounakarchlinux pipewire[26320]: pw.node: (alsa_output.pci-0000> lines 1-22/22 (END)