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thanks, the diagram makes it very clear. I think my whole first post can be boiled down to this: is there any reason why to fork the signal pre-fader? Forking it post-fader would maintain the usefulness of the mixer strip fader, whereas in the pre-fader case you would get the difficulties in mixing I was describing in first post (i.e. the mixer fader isn't anymore sufficient to adjust the global volume of a track/bus)